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Old 20-02-2015, 06:24 PM   #1
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मारे कुछ विशिष्ट मित्रों ने, कुछ पाठकों ने, और स्वयं रजनीश जी ने हमारे एक सूत्र 'मन्दिर बन्द' में देवी-देवताओं के सुरा पान पर अपना आक्षेप लगाया है. आस्तिकों का सदैव से यह तर्क रहा है कि ‘जहाँ पर आस्था हो वहाँ पर प्रश्नचिह्न नहीं लगाना चाहिए’. इस हास्य रचना में आस्था पर प्रश्नचिह्न नहीं लगाया गया है, अपितु आस्था के अनुरूप ही लिखा गया है. देवी-देवता सुरा पान करते हैं या नहीं, इस सन्दर्भ में निम्नलिखित स्पष्टीकरण और साक्ष्य प्रस्तुत किया जा रहा है और लाल रंग से दर्शाया जा रहा है-
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Old 20-02-2015, 06:38 PM   #2
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Karuppu Sami (Tamil: கருப்புசாமி) also known as Sangili karuppan is one of the regional Tamil male deities who is popular among the rural social groups of South India, especially Tamil Nadu an small parts of Kerala. He is one of the 21 associate folk-deities of Ayyanar and is hence one of the so-called Kaval Deivams of the Tamils.
  • Arul migu Pathinettampadiyan(18-steps Karuppa samy) In Alagar Kovil & Sabari Malai.
  • Arul migu Periya Karuppasamy
  • Arul migu Sinna Karuppasamy
  • Arul migu Kaattu Karuppar
  • Arul migu Karuppu Samy
  • Arul migu Karuppanaar Samy
  • Arul migu Karuppanar
  • Arul migu vetta karuppar
  • Arul migu Kulla Karuppanaar
  • Arul migu Sangili Karuppan
  • Arul migu Sonai Karuppasamy
  • Arul migu Munnodi Karuppasamy
  • Arul migu Man malai Karuppasamy
  • Arul migu Santhana Karuppanna samy
  • Arul migu Perungkaadu Karupp samy
  • Arul migu Ponnuveriyan Karupa samy
  • Arul migu Kottai Karupa samy
  • Arul migu Nondi Karupa samy
  • Arul migu Nambaga Karupasamy
  • Arul migu Madai Karuppasamy
  • Arul migu Vaya Karuppasamy
  • Arul migu Sappaani Karuppar
One can find a group of 5 to 6 variants of Karuppa Sami among the 21 folk deities who perform the protective roles through Shamanism or Oracle system. 18-Steps Karuppasamy is considered to be most prominent among the Karuppu system.
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Talking Re: आक्षेप का पटाक्षेप

Historical Tradition
Karuppu (in Tamil) means Black and Sami means God. Hence he is associated with darkness, night, etc.
In the ancient Tamil society, people venerated the Veerargal (or warriors) and had the formless stones (Veera Kal or Veerakkal) or Nadukkal erected in memory of them. These fallen warriors or any persons who sacrificed their life for a good cause such as protection of the welfare of the society or the community are revered by all. Just like other sub-deities, he is also a martyr.
Karuppanar is believed to protect the poor, and ensure justice and self-discipline among his believers. It is also believed that He is a fierce warrior who never forgives those who sinned or those who commit crimes. It is believed that He shoos away all evils and devils from entering the village.He masters all land and is a warrior who blocks all evil entering a boundary.
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Old 20-02-2015, 06:39 PM   #4
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Talking Re: आक्षेप का पटाक्षेप

One of the legends of Karuppaswamy
Following is the story heard by word-of-mouth from the pujaris or Sami aadis in Alagar Kovil, Madurai.
Lord Rama had sent Sita to the forest when she was pregnant and lived in Saint Valmiki's Ashram.
While in the Ashram, She brought a male heir of Rama to the world.
One day when she was going out for some chores of the Ashram, she asked the Saint to take care of her child in the cradle. The Saint was watching the child and meanwhile went into a deep meditation. When Sita returned, she found that the Saint was in meditation and didn't want to disturb him to tell him that she was taking her child.
When the Saint was out of the meditation, he found the child missing. So he put some holy grass (Dherbai) in the cradle and with his mantra he made that as a child.
Later when he found that Sita was having her real child, he was so confused and asked Sita to treat the new baby also as her own child.
When Sita was returning to Rama, he was expecting only one male heir. But to his astonishment, he found two boys (Lavan and Kushan) approaching him. Again to test the purity of the boys, he set a fire and asked the boys to cross the fire to reach him. He told that whoever was his real heir would cross the fire unscathed. Unknowingly the boy brought up by the Saint, stuck in the middle of the fire and burnt his body becoming very dark.
Finally, Rama got to know what had happened in the forest to have two boys instead of one. Then he blessed the burnt boy to become his escort god (kaval deivam) and called him “Karuppannan” which became Karuppa Sami.
That was the reason why Karuppa Sami put the sacred tri-strips (Thiru Namam) on his forehead. And also I heard that while calling the deity, the pujaris sing that “Dherbaiyil pirandhavane (born from the holy grass)”.
The Karuppanar Kovil (or a shrine) is always found in the outskirts of the Village. The maintenance of the temple is taken care of by the whole of the village.
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Talking Re: आक्षेप का पटाक्षेप

His temple is usually in the open space and will not have traditional Gopurams like any other temples. You can see big statues of Gods with weapons like bow and arrow, swords, knives and other protective weapons alongside Him. There will also be statues of other Goddesses (7 Kannimaar or the 7 Virgins)ca;;ed as saptha Kannimar in His temples. Animals, often signifying His pets - a dog (Vettai Naai or a hunting dog), a lion and His ride - the white Horse are also found.
Statues of Karuppu Sami are often black in colour and adorned with chains. He will usually be holding a sword, sometimes with bells attached. Often, as part of his worship, a cigar will be lit and placed in the Deity's mouth. He is also offered alcohol.
Karuppu Sami is often worshipped alongside Madurai Veeran and Muneeswarar.
The most famous temple for Karuppasamy is located at Azaghar Koil, near Madurai. Here he is worshipped as Pathinettampadi Karuppu. He is considered as the guardian deity of this temple.
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Talking Re: आक्षेप का पटाक्षेप

A typical deity
The main form of worship of Karuppanar in the shrine is a formless stone which has been decorated with a Turban and a Dhoti with flowers and garlands. He wields an "Aruval" which is a long form of machete resembling a scimitar, a sword, sometimes a lance, a trident and a smaller knife.
The Aruval is a very significant weapon in Tamil Nadu and is considered, in itself, as a symbol of Karuppanar himself. Some Aruvals may reach the height of even 5 feet, especially the ones in Thiruppaachhi.
The Most Important musical Instrument Which like by God karuppanan are Tappu,Tharai,kombu Tharai,Otha thamukku,Pambai,Udukkai and Urumee.
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रजत जी , बात दरसल आक्षेप लगाने की नहीं थी....और सुरा पान भी मेरी नजर में कोई बडा मुद्दा नहीं है.....बात है चरित्र-चित्रण की......सोचिये जिन देवी को निरोगी काया प्राप्त करने हेतु पूजा जाता हो ,उन्हें ईबोला फैलाने का कोन्ट्रैक्ट मिले(जिससे लोग उन्हें पूज सकें)......कोई भी देवी हों , वो डायन के जैसी दिखें ......भगवान के मन में भी आम इन्सान की ही तरह पैसे का लालच हो....तो ये सारी बातें थोडी आपत्तिजनक लग सकती हैं।

आप जानते ही हैं कि धर्म हमेशा से हर व्यक्ति के लिये sensitive issue रहा है.....और आज के समय में हम publicly जो भी लिखते हैं , उसे जिम्मेदारी से लिखना चाहिये क्योंकि search engine पर कुछ शब्द टाइप करते ही हमारे लेख सार्वजनिक हो जाते हैं , कोई भी व्यक्ति ढूँढ सकता है , कोई भी पढ सकता है.....तो क्या छवि पेश कर रहे हैं हम अपने देवी-देवताओं की सबके सामने???
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Talking Re: आक्षेप का पटाक्षेप

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भगवान के मन में भी आम इन्सान की ही तरह पैसे का लालच हो....तो ये सारी बातें थोडी आपत्तिजनक लग सकती हैं।
भगवान जब आम इन्सान की तरह धरती पर जन्म ले सकते हैं, कृष्णावतार में मक्खन चुराकर खा सकते हैं, महाभारत में यु​धि​ष्ठिर द्वारा 'अश्वत्थामा मारा गया किन्तु हाथी' कहने पर छल—कपट करके शंख बजा कर 'किन्तु हाथी' को गायब कर सकते हैं, महाभारत का युद्ध अपनी दैवीय शक्ति से रोकने के स्थान पर कर्म का उपदेश देने के नाम पर अर्जुन को अपनों से युद्ध करने की शिक्षा दे सकते हैं (आजकल यही तो हो रहा है। धन के लिए भाई भाई का जानी दुश्मन बना हुआ अपने सगे भाई से ही तथाकथित कर्मयुद्ध (?) कर रहा है), राम के अवतार में बालि का वध छिपकर अर्थात् छल—कपट युद्ध द्वारा कर सकते हैं, अन्त में किसी के कहने से सीता को फिर से वनवास दे सकते हैं तो भगवान का इन्सान की तरह लालची होना (मैंने लिखा नहीं है, आप तर्क दे रही हैं) कहॉं से विवादास्पद हो गया?
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अभी अभी प्राप्त हुए समाचार...

श्री तो***ड़ीया जी ने एक सुबह बहूत बडी सभा आयोजित की थी...जीसमें धार्मिक लोग, पुजारी, कर्मकाण्डी, वक्ता और हमारा प्यारा मिडीया मौजुद था।




उन्हों ने रजत जी का वह विवादास्पद लेख हटाने की मांग की है । यहां तक की किसी बाबा ने तो जब तक यह लेख हटाया न जाएगा तब तक अनशन करने की पैरवी भी कर दी है।

ईस मामले में सभी राजकीय पार्टी और अभी अभी साफ हुई पार्टी भी आपस में भीड गई है। सभी यह कह रहें है की रजत जी सामने वाली पार्टी से मिले हुए है!!!

जब मिडीयावालों ने रजत जी से बात करने की कोशिश की और ईस लेख के बारे में खुलासा मांगा तो रजत जी ने ईतना ही कहा की वे ईस मामले के बारे में अलग सुत्र में ही बताएंगे।

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वेदान्त के अनुसार “एकं ब्रह्म, द्वितीय नास्ते नेः न नास्ते किञ्चन।” – अर्थात्, परमेश्वर एक है, दूसरा नहीं है, नहीं है, नहीं है, बिल्कुल भी नहीं है। इसी से मिलती-जुलती बातें ऋग्वेद, अथर्ववेद और उपनिषद में भी लिखी है। इन परिस्थितियों में ३३ करोड़ देवी-देवताओं की अवधारणा हिन्दू धर्म का एक संदेहास्पद तथ्य है। चारों वेद ही हिन्दू धर्म के प्रामाणिक ग्रन्थ माने जाते हैं, क्योंकि ईश्वर ने चार ऋषियों अग्नि , वायु, आदित्य और अंगिरा के ह्रदय में प्रकाश करके वेद का ज्ञान दिया।

यदि मैं अपनी हास्य रचना में लिखूँ कि देवी-देवता आपस में लड़ने लगे तो पवित्रा जी तुरन्त अपना आक्षेप लगाएंगी। तब मुझे इनसे यह कहना होगा कि हिन्दुओं में शैव और वैष्णव नामक दो संप्रदाय हैं। ये दोनों सम्प्रदाय क्रमशः शिव और विष्णु को ईश्वर मान कर उनकी पूजा करते हैं। इन दोनों संप्रदायों के अलग धार्मिक ग्रंथ हैं। भागवत पुराण वैष्णव (विष्णु भक्तों) का धार्मिक ग्रंथ है और भागवत पुराण में शिव और शैवों की अपमानजनक निंदा करते हुए लिखा है-

'भवव्रतधरा ये च ये च तान् समनुव्रताः
पाषण्डिनस्ते भवन्तु सच्छास्त्रपरिपन्थि।' [भागवतपुराण 4/2/28]


अर्थात्- जो शिव का व्रत करने वाले हैं या जो उस के अनुयायी हैं, वे सत शास्त्रों के द्वेषी और नास्तिक हैं।

'मुमुक्षवो घोररूपान् हित्वा भूतपतीनथ,
नारायणकलाः शान्ताः भजन्तीत्यनसूयवः।' [भागवतपुराण 1/2/26]


अर्थात्- अतः मुक्ति चाहने वाले लोग शिव की भयंकर मूर्तियों को त्याग कर नारायण (विष्णु) की शांत कलाओं का ध्यान करते हैं।

दूसरी ओर शैव ग्रंथ सौरपुराण में भगवान विष्णु की निन्दा की गई है-

'चतुर्दशविद्यासु गीयते चन्द्रशेखरः
तेन तुल्यो यदा विष्णुः ब्रह्मा वा यदि गद्यते
षष्टिवर्षसहस्राणि विष्ठायां जायते कृमिः।' [सौरपुराण 40/15,17]

अर्थात्- चौदह विद्याएँ शिव का गुणगान करती हैं। जो व्यक्ति विष्णु को या ब्रह्मा को शिव के बराबर का बताता है, वह इस अपराध के कारण 60 हजार वर्षों तक मल का कीड़ा बनता है।


स्पष्ट है- देवी-देवताओं के मध्य आपसी वैमनस्य है। इन परिस्थितियों में यदि हम हास्य के उद्देश्य से देवी-देवताओं को आपस में लड़ता हुआ दिखाएँ तो इसमें किसी को आक्षेप नहीं करना चाहिए। 'गधा मॉंगे इन्साफ़' में हमने यही किया भी है, मात्र हास्य के उद्देश्य से!
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